I don’t appreciate when people say that, but that’s because I don’t exhibit trash behavior like that. It’s ok to be upset when you’re inappropriately lumped in with shitty people solely based on your genetics.
What a weird excuse to justify your bigotry. Although I guess the excuse is always going to be desperate when you're claiming "no everyone else's generalisations are EVIL! but mine is not only justified by very righteous!"
Young women today were not alive to experience how women were treated 200 years ago, and young men were not alive to be responsible for it. Trying to hold men accountable for "historical marginalisation" they had nothing to do with is how you end up with more red-pilled kids.
Change “men” to any other word and it would be seen differently. Blanket statements of any sort are just not smart and not helpful to anyone. Just my opinion.
Bigotry doesnt have to be about me specifically for me to dislike it
Otherwise I wouldn't dislike racial bigotry, or bigotry towards women (misogyny)
People who conditionally accept bigotry (or even condone it) just because of the group its targeted towards are opportunistic bigots (even those whose entire identity is based around being progressive)
Exactly. Its like when I say women are irrational and overemotional and they get mad. If it doesn't apply to you then just recognize its not about you and ignore it! Let me have my thing! /s
That's not an answer to the question :] so I'm guessing no
Black people can complain about white people, no one's denying that
So women can complain about men, the only reason we deny that is continuing misogyny
Complain all you want. Trying to lump half the human population into one group and dehumanize them as 'trash' is still probably not something you should be doing, regardless of history.
You are unwittingly creating resentment from strangers you don’t know because you feel so justified based on things that may or may not have happened to you, but you have the privilege of holding others accountable for in some righteous, self soothing way. It would be easier just to say you hate all men (for the benefit of the men I mean, so they can know to avoid you).
I don't hate all men. I have friends who are men. Those friends also just shrug and sometimes even agree with me when I complain about men (one is twice my age with tons more life experience)
Creating resentment from strangers is all that happens on reddit so I'm fine with that
The truth is women have to be constantly alert and suspicious of men literally just to survive. We are raised that way and there's damn good reason for it. If you can't recognize that, you're probably part of the problem and not an ally to women in any way
You sound like you’re in highschool or just out of it, so I’ll just let you continue experiencing life and hopefully you’ll find a more peaceful, less resentful way to approach this subject in the future. All people deserve a fair shake in life. You have no right to take that away because of your own prejudice.
lol so you’re saying there are no valid feelings unless they’re your feelings? Otherwise that person is labeled a trash person? I can see where this is going… yuck.
It’s just a very stupid thing to say. Anyone aware of their shortcomings in life can be sensitive to those types of comments. The only people not offended are the ones that blithely offend and hurt others. In other words the people you are most likely calling trash.
It’s not just about the men who do this shit stuff. It’s about the others who enable it and fail to challenge it. Can you honestly say you’ve done everything you can to prevent this stuff? I can’t.
Then add "those" to "men are trash" because it's less broad than "men are trash". If i say "women are golddiggers" while talking about golddiggers, do i sound like i'm talking about those specific women or women overall???
Ok, that's true (about those dudes jumping to wrong conclusions). Unfortunatelly, we have to be highly specific because radicals from both sides like to get be offended.
Maybe it's the spaces im in - and I admit to being selective so that definitely plays a role - but there's far between people not being specific. Unless it's about patriarchy and talking about general tendencies in culture, but then again there's context.
I also have a theory that trolls make fake profiles to sow discord
I sure as hell hope this is not all it takes for men to hate women!
If I hear a dude who has just been hurt saying "Ugh women are the worst", I want to pat him and tell it's going to be alright, I don't instantly think "wow fuck you and your problems! And all of your genders' as well!"
I feel like a friend taking comfort in you and saying ugh women/men are the worst in a state of vulnerability and sadness is quite different than spouting it in forums with wide sweeping generalizations and expecting no pushback
Why do you assume that them saying it online means that they are not in a state of vulnerability and sadness? They are people as well, they don’t need to be my friend to have feelings.
I don't think I've ever seen someone add "those" or something specific like you said. Most of the time in my experience, it's more like "I hate ALL men. And yes I actually mean ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE." And that's directly from leftist sources I follow.
I don't see it very often. Usually people will say "I hate rapists / pedophiles / deadbeats / etc." Those are great things to say, and it seems to get the entire point across without even specifying men. But once in a while, people say "this is why we say ALL men" or "this is why we choose the bear" or "this is why heterosexual women are proof that sexuality isn't a choice" or whatever. Maybe you've heard the "poisoned M&M's" analogy?
Okay the first and last I get, but the bear? Yeah we choose the bear. We don't know if the man is good but the worst a bear does is kill us and we won't get the third degree saying we dressed to lure the bear if the bear attack which statistically is unlikely.
I know it as a room of snakes or a weapon - treat it as loaded until you're sure it's not. I don't see the problem with that
Choosing avoidance might be an effective survival mechanism, but it doesn't mean it's not prejudiced as well. Usually I don't engage with "bear" stuff, since I can see the hyperbolic "spirit" of it, but in reality it's not very well thought out. A bear can definitely do worse things than kill you, and as far as I know, it's more likely to be attacked by a bear (when you're around bears) compared to being attacked by men. But you don't see a problem comparing all men with snakes, guns, and poison? Would there be a problem doing that for any other group? Sounds like verbiage straight from nazi germany.
No it is explaining why women dont trust every man they get close to. From experience- and we ALL have experiences - we keep out wits about us, until we see you wont hurt us. It is not all men but all women have multiple experiences.
If you want us to feel safe, then dont take it so personal. Just show youre not one of the bad men, call out the bad men.
Listen to what we are saying. The experiences we are describing.
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u/jimmyrigjosher Apr 24 '26
I don’t appreciate when people say that, but that’s because I don’t exhibit trash behavior like that. It’s ok to be upset when you’re inappropriately lumped in with shitty people solely based on your genetics.