More like it's uncommon to see in her work . If it were a random saying it then I'd say it's sexism but it's a whole medical practitioner who has probably seen countless births so if she is surprised it's because it isn't something they see all the time not because she's taking a jab at men or whatever.
I don't think it can just be labeled as sexism though because they haven't given a reason or trait that makes men not be there for their partners. Some are in the room but keep their distance, some are right next to their partner, some don't even make it into the room .
Yeah, it’s like calling women drama queens. Since men agree most women are drama queens, calling them drama queens is not sexist.
Except of course it’s sexist.
Both of the above is sexist.
Most men stay with their wife / girlfriend when she’s giving birth and show her support. Don’t know a single father who hasn’t unless he didn’t make it in time. Those who can’t make it regret it their entire lives.
Why is your anecdotal knowledge of the handful of fathers you know and how they behaved in the delivery room more valid or accurate than the repeated daily observations of someone who works in labor and delivery on a daily basis, seeing multiple patients a day, presumably for years?
Yes, that’s exactly my point. They’re both anecdotal evidence, so why is he so quick to say that her anecdotal evidence is incorrect sexist nonsense, but his incredibly vague anecdotal evidence of I haven’t personally seen that so it never happens is enough to say that “most men are present and show support”.
And honestly, yeah if I’m going to take someone’s anecdotal evidence more seriously, it’s the nurse’s. Where does everyone seem to think this unbiased objective empirical evidence on this question would come from exactly? Surveying men and saying “were you supportive?” Is that unbiased? Are unsupportive men likely to answer that question honestly? Are you willing to take the women’s word for it whether their partners were supportive enough? That might be biased too. At least nurses are 3rd party observers who see a huge number of these events over a wide cross section of people.
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u/hopelesslysad7256 Apr 24 '26
More like it's uncommon to see in her work . If it were a random saying it then I'd say it's sexism but it's a whole medical practitioner who has probably seen countless births so if she is surprised it's because it isn't something they see all the time not because she's taking a jab at men or whatever.
I don't think it can just be labeled as sexism though because they haven't given a reason or trait that makes men not be there for their partners. Some are in the room but keep their distance, some are right next to their partner, some don't even make it into the room .