More like it's uncommon to see in her work . If it were a random saying it then I'd say it's sexism but it's a whole medical practitioner who has probably seen countless births so if she is surprised it's because it isn't something they see all the time not because she's taking a jab at men or whatever.
I don't think it can just be labeled as sexism though because they haven't given a reason or trait that makes men not be there for their partners. Some are in the room but keep their distance, some are right next to their partner, some don't even make it into the room .
Yeah, it’s like calling women drama queens. Since men agree most women are drama queens, calling them drama queens is not sexist.
Except of course it’s sexist.
Both of the above is sexist.
Most men stay with their wife / girlfriend when she’s giving birth and show her support. Don’t know a single father who hasn’t unless he didn’t make it in time. Those who can’t make it regret it their entire lives.
Why is your anecdotal knowledge of the handful of fathers you know and how they behaved in the delivery room more valid or accurate than the repeated daily observations of someone who works in labor and delivery on a daily basis, seeing multiple patients a day, presumably for years?
Wow you're dumb. Comparing the difference in anecdotes between someone with say ten at most versus someone whose job it is involves them seeing multiple cases a day? "Hurr durr dey both anecdote"
You're still using the opinion of only one person, no matter how much experience they have, as a basis for making a sweeping declaration. Do you understand the various reasons why it's important to gather multiple data points? Her opinion is inherently biased, and I don't even mean consciously. Maybe she works in an area with a lower average income and the father isn't able to leave his job because it's the only thing keeping them afloat. Maybe she works in a particularly wealthy area, and that group of men is more likely to not attend childbirth, so her opinion is colored by that to mean ALL men are more likely to not attend. Maybe she works in a super liberal area that has many more queer couples, and she has an even smaller pool of fathers to pull examples from. Maybe she's only been working there for a week. Maybe she works during a time of day where people are more likely to have obligations that keep them away. Do you see what I mean?
You know literally nothing about this woman other than the fact that she's in scrubs. Even if she had 50 data points to the layman's 1, it's not anything close to a study, or accurate statistical data. Would I value her opinion based on her experience over mine? Yes, absolutely, but no one should be arrogant enough to say that their experience is unequivocally the norm. I would rely on data to form an opinion.
This one nurse is not the only source of this information. Many, many, L&D nurses will say that it is not uncommon for men to either be absent from the room, or, and what I am actually talking about, unsupportive in the delivery room.
For the record, I don’t doubt that at this point, a numerical majority of fathers are physically present in the delivery room. That is not my point, nor is it the point of the nurse in the OP post. It is that even when in the room, it is very common for fathers to be unsupportive.
It’s also more than a little silly to lecture me about crediting anecdotal evidence because it isn’t a sufficient sample size of empirical evidence, and then cite to a “study” that is literally just phone interviews with TEN MEN on their subjective perspective of the experience of being involved in the delivery process. If someone has been an L&D nurse two weeks they would be able to observe and provide more unbiased objective data on the presence and involvement of fathers in the room than that.
God I love when I say anecdotal evidence is silly and someone responds by telling me "well lots of people say X!" I have friends that are nurses, lemme call them quick, and if they say that they've seen plenty of fathers be present and supportive during the birth then your point is invalid right? Of course you could then find another nurse that says they aren't, but then I could find another nurse that says they are.
Granted, you miiiiiight be able to figure out another way to prove your point, like finding another nurse that says they aren't. Buuuuuut, by that same coin, I might just find another nurse that says they are.
And so on and so forth.
Yes those aren't the best studies in the world, I found them from 2 minutes of Googling, not even using Scholar. But you saying that a single person is going to be able to provide an unbiased point of view is already ridiculous, let alone that you're saying you'll take their opinion formed over the course of 2 weeks as gospel. I mean this feels like stuff people were supposed to learn in high school. Anecdotal evidence is useful for guiding your research, not replacing it.
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u/hopelesslysad7256 Apr 24 '26
More like it's uncommon to see in her work . If it were a random saying it then I'd say it's sexism but it's a whole medical practitioner who has probably seen countless births so if she is surprised it's because it isn't something they see all the time not because she's taking a jab at men or whatever.
I don't think it can just be labeled as sexism though because they haven't given a reason or trait that makes men not be there for their partners. Some are in the room but keep their distance, some are right next to their partner, some don't even make it into the room .