Yeah, it’s like calling women drama queens. Since men agree most women are drama queens, calling them drama queens is not sexist.
Except of course it’s sexist.
Both of the above is sexist.
Most men stay with their wife / girlfriend when she’s giving birth and show her support. Don’t know a single father who hasn’t unless he didn’t make it in time. Those who can’t make it regret it their entire lives.
I think those situations aren't equal at all.... One is an insult towards women in a derogatory way and the other is surprise at a difference in streotype/prejudice.
Use a better example like: It's like finding out a woman wants to go back to work immediately and the dad is quiting his job to raise the baby and do the housework.
Both are sexisim (showing a prejudice) but your example was not on equal footing at all....
And also confusing >> calling them drama queens is not sexist. Except it is sexist
I was talking about the dude calling the women drama queens, which is an insult to women.
A more appropriate comparison to "Men are seen as unsupportive fathers" would be assuming that the woman would always stay at home to look after the baby.
Because they both make an assumption of a prejudice and bias that is expected of their parental roles, mother's quiting their jobs and fathers not being active. Calling women "drama queens" is not a good comparative because it's an insult that is used to belittle women's emotions and opinions, not their parental expectations.
What the fuck. Why is race brought into this?? Do you argue with people like this all the time, make assumptions (an ass out of you an me) because you have this prejudice towards certain opinions and then yes because they have this opinion they must have this opinion. I'm going to be sexist and and ass and assume you're a man, because omg you are so defensive take a chill pill it's your time of the month.
People don’t belittle women’s parental expectations as a stereotype. That would be like criticizing a man’s emotional state when making decisions as being a drama king. It doesn’t make sense because it’s not a stereotype.
Assuming that a man is disengaged and a bad partner and father is a stereotype and is an insult. I’m not sure how you don’t see that.
Nobody belittled women’s involvement in childrearing. If the stereotype is that dads don’t do it, and you’re saying that people accuse mothers of not doing it, then who is doing it?
Women are expected to give up everything for the children and if they're not happy 100% of the time they are seen as bad mother's. It's belittling because if you try to get a job as a mother with a new born most people either see your as incapable or you won't be active at work because your baby comes first.
Men are expected to not get too involved with their child and any attentiveness is seen as "gay" or not masculine. If you want to be a SAHD it's seen as a woman's role and "you must not wear the pants in the relationship".
Both are belittling because they diminish the parental roles into archetypes that negate the personality and wishes of either party. It's sexism is both senses.
Don't be such a drama queen, this isn't a personal attack on you honey. Check your menstrual cycle because your hormones are acting up. Do I need to explain sexisim again to you or will you get emotional.
Who is the one doing the belittling in this scenario you’ve decided to pivot? Is that men casting judgement on women for returning to work? It’s an extremely narrow subgroup that can afford a SAH parent of either gender. These things are entirely in your mind. It reminds of that meme of a woman complaining that she wishes she could wear the same outfit two days in a row. Men aren’t the ones who care about those things that you’re describing. You’re fighting your own social media feed.
You know how I know that you’ve realized that you’re wrong? That little tirade you added there. What is that? Do you think my position is that women don’t experience any sexism at all? I’m lost on the new goalpost you’re setting.
This is such a little argument you're having over nothing. You're taking my points to the extreme, claiming things I've never said and things that aren't relevant. Who are you arguing against? Me??? Why, to say what??? That SAHD are a privilege?? Okay and??? What has it have to do with my initial statement that the comparative is unbalanced. You're so focused on me for some reason.
I'm sorry if you felt my comment was insensitive or belittling. I just have no clue why you're so mad over a problem that is non-existent.
My level of urgency is like 1-2 for this discussion but you seem to keep positioning it at a 5-6.
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u/TemporaryEconomist Apr 24 '26
Yeah, it’s like calling women drama queens. Since men agree most women are drama queens, calling them drama queens is not sexist.
Except of course it’s sexist.
Both of the above is sexist.
Most men stay with their wife / girlfriend when she’s giving birth and show her support. Don’t know a single father who hasn’t unless he didn’t make it in time. Those who can’t make it regret it their entire lives.
Now stop defending sexism. It’s not a good look.