Do you think that any time any person makes an observation about a group, it’s an appropriate comparison to say, “But what if a prison guard hated Black people?”
No, any time a grup is stereotyped you can check it by replacing the group with another one that is commonly agreed as not OK to negatively stereotype.
If you think the groups that are ok to stereotype or make fun of are dictated by the social climate and not on general objectivity, then I don't know what to say.
The example fits - it describes a job where the experience with a specific group without any thought given might give someone a negative opinion of said group.
It literally does not. First of all, partners of women in an L&D ward are a fairly random sample of the population of new fathers. Incarcerated Black men are not a random sample of the population of Black people. Second of all, an OBGYN in this position is reporting on something she is seeing happen with her eyes. A prison guard who thinks all the incarcerated Black people in their prison are guilty is making an assumption. And a OBGYN saying “many new fathers don’t act supportive of their partners” is nowhere near the scope or harm of a prison guard saying “Black people are criminals.” These situations are not the same and it’s frankly offensive to compare them.
How are they a "random sample"? 100% of fathers is not a random sample, unless you mean a random sample of men, then still it's not random, it's selected.
The comparison isn't about the severity or harm of the claim, it's about showing that there is the same fundamental mechanism underneath them, and I all honesty, as a man of color I find it disturbing you don't see it.
I literally said, “Partners of women in an L&D ward are a fairly random sample of the population of new fathers.” Meaning, it is more reasonable to form an opinion of how new fathers are likely to behave based on working as an OBGYN than form an opinion on Black people bases on working in a prison. But to be clear, I don’t even think that’s what the OP would theoretically be doing, I think she would be making a relatively light-hearted joke about something she observes at work.
And fundamentally, I just disagree with you. Not every situation is the same. And I think it’s offensive to compare women discussing lived observation of sexism to the way prison guards treat Black inmates. Why don’t you check your bias around women.
Lol now minsadryst expression are now considered "light jokes", the fact that a person acts impressed about a men showing support to their partners is not a light joke as you want to paint it, imagine if a women do something good for their parents, another man comes in a make a "joke" like this.
I think you have to much resentment towards mens to see how bad it is to put down men in general the moment you see them doing something good
Men neglecting their partners while they give birth is an act of misogyny. Pointing out patterns of misogyny when it is observed is not an act of hate against men. The attempt to paint it as one is an attempt to shame women into being silent.
That would make sense if the meme was a women being disappointed at a man being misogynistic, but in this case she is making a "light joke" when see a man doing something good.
Imagine a men starting to "finally a women that is doing something useful" when they do something for their partners, saying something negative when you see something positive says more about her than about him.
The point is that, by pointing out when she sees a man doing something good, she draws attention to a pattern of other men doing things that are bad. As she would have observed. From her job. If a man posted “finally a woman doing X” and thereby called attention to a pattern of other women behaving genuinely badly by not doing X, and he would have had specific professional reasons to observe that pattern, maybe he would have a point.
I think you reasonably called out the different in sample between prisoners and men in a hospital, but I'm curious how your last statement translates to racism vs sexism.
If a man posted “finally a woman doing X” and thereby called attention to a pattern of other women behaving genuinely badly by not doing X, and he would have had specific professional reasons to observe that pattern, maybe he would have a point.
So, if a convenience store clerk posted "finally a ____ not stealing from my store" and thereby called attention to a pattern of other ____ stealing from the store, due to his specific professional observation of the pattern of other ____ stealing from his store, that would not be racism?
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u/okaygirlie Apr 24 '26
Do you think that any time any person makes an observation about a group, it’s an appropriate comparison to say, “But what if a prison guard hated Black people?”