If researchers did a survey of couples who delivered babies in US hospitals, and showed that most men were not engaged or supportive of their partners during delivery would you still think those results are sexist against men? Or representative of a a true cultural pattern?
Yes. It changes widely by region, but if you quickly google it it seems that reports say that men are involvement in childbirth is 40-66%. In postnatal care it’s only 25%. It’s probably getting higher with time but nowhere near what it should ideally be.
I'm always shocked to learn that any of my white friends have criminal records and even more so to learn that my black friends don't. But that's not racist, it's just a cultural pattern!
/s because half these commenters ate lead paint chips apparently
Edit: were you not saying that despite crime statistics showing that certain racial groups commit a disproportionate share of crime that it would be racist to act surprised when a member of one of these groups is not a criminal?
Relative risk vs absolute risk. When majority does something, I wouldnt fault someone. You arent biased if a majority does something, your realistic. When a small minority does something, and you lay it upon all the rest, your biased. Even if relatively, they do it more.
Yes, and that would be wrong based on what I wrote above. Also, a presumption of innocence is baked into the law system. This is simply because the stakes are so much higher.This high bar shouldn't be held for daily life.
There is no population where they have >50% crime rate (unless you are sampling from a prison). Nowhere near this. Thus, you are severely biased.
I never said they did. You're assuming my bias and applying a racist dog whistle to it, when I never quoted statistics. I simply asked for op and the commenter I was responding to, to treat gender as if they would race, and make the same assumptions and treat it, socially, the same.
No where did I quote race and crime statistics.
No one here has presented any statistics on fathers in the delivery room being supportive.
Everyone's arguments are just based on feelings and misandry.
Your argument that presumption of innocence is baked into the law system but shouldn't be baked into daily life is flawed and biased.
If researchers did a survey of couples who delivered babies in US hospitals, and showed that most men were not engaged or supportive of their partners during delivery would you still think those results are sexist against men? Or representative of a a true cultural pattern?
The "results" are not sexist against men. The outcome of studies are just objective observations of data.
In a similar way, if a research study shows higher rates of crime among populations of people of color, the "results" of the study are not racist.
However, if you are a person that goes around acting surprised when you see a person of color that is an upstanding law-abiding citizen? Then YES, YOU ARE A RACIST.
It is not complicated, so I am not sure why it is so hard for you to understand basic examples of sexism or racism.
They'll claim sexism. Men on reddit will pull every single one of their teeth out without anesthesia before ever admitting that the statistics against them are accurate, or that every woman on earth cannot possibly all be lying about the same exact things lmfao. Don’t even bother. They'll compare it to racism and incarceration rates, but never mention the race of the cops and judges that arrest and convict them.
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u/anonymous_teleost Apr 24 '26
If researchers did a survey of couples who delivered babies in US hospitals, and showed that most men were not engaged or supportive of their partners during delivery would you still think those results are sexist against men? Or representative of a a true cultural pattern?